# Room Conversation

*Type: Conversation Dated: December 5th 1971 Location: Delhi Audio file: 711205R3-DELHI.mp3*

**Prabhupāda: **...Arjuna said "Yes." In the beginning he said "No," then after learning *Bhagavad-gītā* he said "Yes." So we have to learn to say "Yes" to Kṛṣṇa or His representative. Then you will be all right. If you say "No," then it is *māyā*. But you have got the liberty to say "Yes" or "No." [indistinct] If we say "No," then it is our misfortune. If we say "Yes," it is our fortune.

*Icchā-dveṣa.* What is that verse? *Sarge yānti parantapa.* You have got *icchā* and *dveṣa—*two things there. *Icchā* means either you have desire for sense gratification or you can desire to serve Kṛṣṇa. And *dveṣa* means averse. You may not like to serve Kṛṣṇa, or you may not like to serve *māyā*.

> icchā-dveṣa-samutthena
> sarge yānti parantapa

[*Bg. 7.27*]

So we have come here to this material world by two propensities: *icchā* and *dveṣa*. *Icchā*, we wanted to enjoy this material world; and *dveṣa*, we try to avoid Kṛṣṇa. You see? [break]

> icchā-dveṣa-samutthena
> sarge yānti parantapa

In this way you have come to this material world.

Just like this Pakistan and Hindustan, fighting. *Icchā*. *Icchā* is that "I shall enjoy this land." So they're fighting. They do not know that after all, this land does not belong to any one of us; it belongs to Kṛṣṇa. Why should we fight? Better you… Let us be satisfied with whatever Kṛṣṇa has given. But there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness; therefore they are fighting. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa has made everything complete.

> pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ
> pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate

[*Īśopaniṣad, Invocation*]

This planet is complete because it is created by Kṛṣṇa. So there cannot be any scarcity, any want. Everything is there. But we are desiring. Such simple *dveṣa-samutthena. Dveṣa*. We want to enjoy more, therefore I envy you. This is our [indistinct]. This is called material [indistinct].

And we are being carried by this different types of desire, and we are getting different types of bodies. Kṛṣṇa is kind, Lord. Oh, whatever we desire, He supplies it: "All right." Like… But ultimately He says *sarva-guhyatamaṁ* *Bg.* 18.64: "The most confidential part of knowledge I have given to you. Give up all this nonsense and surrender unto Me." So that is all. [end]