# Room Conversation, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 7.5.31–33 *Type: Conversation Dated: February 26th 1973 Location: Jakarta Audio file: 730226R1.JKT.mp3* Prabhupāda: > andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās > te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ > na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ > durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ SB 7.5.31 > matir na kṛṣṇe parataḥ svato vā > mitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām > adānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ > punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām SB 7.5.30 > Naiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghriṁ > spṛśaty anarthāpagamo... SB 7.5.32 [hums softly] Hmm. What is your philosophy of life? Guest (1): Philosophy of life. How do you mean by that? Prabhupāda: Philosophy means why you are working, why you are living, what is the purpose. Guest (1): We are working for forefathers; I have been working also. We just follow the same tradition. Prabhupāda: Still, there must some why. Why your forefathers they work and they die? So do you think that is the only philosophy, to work and die? That is being done by the animals also. They work and die. Guest (1): Then one should be true. Prabhupāda: That is another thing. First thing is, why you are working? What is the purpose of working? If the purpose of working is to work hard and then die, finished, then where is the difference between the animals and the men? They are also working, day and night. Cats, dogs, hogs. Then after some time they die, without knowing the purpose of life. Then where is the difference between the cats, dogs, hogs and general human beings? This question does not arise in the modern civilization. Everyone is thinking, "Yes, it is the same." But they're lying on the street, we're lying on a very nice apartment, bedstead. This is our profit. Śrutakīrti: Śrīla Prabhupāda, it will take about a half hour to get the puffed rice. Prabhupāda: No, no. Then you give me little fruit or... Śrutakīrti: Fruits? Prabhupāda: You have got that sliced? Bread sliced? No. Śrutakīrti: Slices of bread, I have them here. Prabhupāda: That last one. Devotee: The one we made last, the good one. Guest (1): Puffed rice [Hindi]. Prabhupāda: [Hindi] In Bombay it is made. Somebody told me that he make at his home. They do it at home. Guest (1): It is called rice. Prabhupāda: Puffed rice, yes. In Bengal we call *muri.* It is very popular, staple food for ordinary..., or I say everyone. In Bengal village, it is very popular because they're rice eaters. From rice they make this puffed rice. So they're taking it in the morning, puffed rice mixed with molasses and cheese. It makes very good combination. Similarly... Puffed rice must be there, and fruits, like mango, banana, little molasses and cheese, mixed together. It is very nice palatable dish. This jackfruit... Puffed rice is the vehicle for eating all this. Or if these things are not available, then mix with *ghee,* little, and salt, pepper and, what is called? Cucumber. Guest (1): Cucumber... Prabhupāda: *Khīrā, khīrā.* You know *khīrā?* Guest (1): No, I have been only once to India. Then also ten years ago. Prabhupāda: Oh. Guest (1): Puffed rice, what is it called? Prabhupāda: In Bombay it is called *kumura.* Guest (1): *Kumura.* Prabhupāda: You are in a different world. Guest (1): Yes. Is it Bengali food though? In Bombay also? Prabhupāda: Yes. This puffed rice is used all provinces. Guest (1): All provinces. Prabhupāda: All provinces, especially in Bombay and Bengal. I think everywhere---in Madras, U.P. In U.P. it is called *bhujiya, chaval chana bhujiya.* Guest (1): *Channa* we have. Prabhupāda: No. *Channa...* That is called *chaval.* Puffed rice means *chaval.* From grains we have got varieties of foods. Grains, fruits, vegetables, milk, sugar, we can make at least four hundred, five hundred varieties. Guest (1): From rice. Prabhupāda: No. From grains. Guest (1): From grains. Prabhupāda: In the Marwari community is..., that, what is called, *channa, channa. Channa* and *ghee,* they can make varieties of preparations. *Channa* powder, chickpea flour, *besan, besan.* You know *besan?* Yes. From *besan* they make so many varieties. And *besan, ghee* and sugar. Guest (1): Puffed rice, how to cook it? Prabhupāda: Puffed rice itself is cooked food. Guest (1): It's cooked food. Prabhupāda: Yes. Rice, puffed, fused. Not fused; puffed. Guest (1): Boiled. Prabhupāda: No, it is not boiled. Guest (1): So we get it... Prabhupāda: It's a rough quality rice. It is not made from fine quality rice. Guest (1): Unpolished. Prabhupāda: Unpolished, rough quality rice. It is washed nicely, then mixed with little salt, then it is fried, then it is... They know the temper, fried, then they get it out. In Bengal they make. My mother used to do it. Then on sand bath, hot sand, you put this prepared hot rice and *puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff,* it becomes puffed. And then you take it out. And then mesh it, to get out of the sand. Then you cook it. It is cooked in sand bath, hot sand. All this *bhujiya, bhujiya,* grains, in India there is professional maker. You... They have got hot sand always ready. You take some grains, and then you put in the hot sand and *put, put, put, put, put, put,* then they mesh it, return it packed---two paisa, three paisa. Even in Punjab, I think. I think you have seen also, they take the dough for professional bread maker. The householder, they make the dough and took to a shopkeeper, and they make the bread. You haven't got to take the trouble of making bread. What is called that? Big, big bread? Devotee: Big bread. Guest (1): *Cāpāṭi?* Prabhupāda: No. *Cāpāṭi* is different. Punjabis. Guest (1): *Papad.* Prabhupāda: No, not *papad.* You have got *papad?* Guest (1): Yes. Very good Prabhupāda: Take *papad.* Not now; at lunchtime. Guest (1): Lunchtime. Devotee: *Papad.* Prabhupāda: [Hindi] So you can come at night? Devotee: [offers obeisances] [end]