# Room Conversation with Indian Guest

*Type: Conversation Dated: July 11th 1973 Location: London Audio file: 730711R2.LON.mp3*

Prabhupāda: ...accepted in that group.

Indian man (1): Suppose if somebody is absolutely ignorant about...

Prabhupāda: So therefore there should be education. Why the *śāstras* are there? Why *guru* is there? *Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet* [MU 1.2.12]. You must accept *guru* and learn. Why should you remain ignorant?

Indian man (1): How one should start when he's completely ignorant of all these things?

Prabhupāda: He should go... *Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet.*

Indian man (1): *Tad viddhi praṇipātena...* Bg. 4.34.

Prabhupāda: *Paripraśnena sevayā.* He should become a disciple of a bona fide *guru.* Otherwise, how he can learn? If you are uneducated, you should go to school.

Indian man (1): [aside:] You want to ask anything?

[pause]

Prabhupāda: [Hindi] [laughter] It is very difficult to, to *guru,* but when *guru* comes, they also do not accept him. What can be done? They are so fallen. Only fortunate. *Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva* Cc. Madhya 19.151.

So to go to *guru,* to Kṛṣṇa, that requires fortune. *Kona bhāgyavān jīva.* Some fortunate person. *Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja* Cc. Madhya 19.151. By the mercy of *guru* and Kṛṣṇa, he gets the seed of this *bhakti. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti* Bg. 18.55. And when he's a *bhakta,* then he can understand what is God.

[aside:] Get the light on.

*Bhaktyā mām abhijānā...* No, there. That's all right.

Indian man (2): [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: [Hindi for some time, a few English words] [break] [Hindi for some time] [end]