# Morning Walk, partially recorded

*Type: Walk Dated: March 28th 1974 Location: Bombay Audio file: 740328MW.BOM.mp3*

Prabhupāda: ...incidences are so described that anyone can remember. And by remembering these incidences, he becomes liberated. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

Indian man: One thing I want to know, you see, when He was Supreme God, why He created all these *līlās?* When..., suppose He was sent...

Prabhupāda: What do you mean by Supreme God?

Indian man: Er, He was the Lord of universe. All the...

Prabhupāda: So He cannot do that?

Indian man: No, He can do it.

Prabhupāda: Then?

Indian man: That is..., so He has done. But as He sent Uddhava to Vṛndāvana to know about condition of Vṛndāvana people, even He was God, He knew it, no?

Prabhupāda: No, that is affection.

Indian man: Hmm?

Prabhupāda: That is affection. Just like you go to your friend, you know what he is; still you ask, "How are, you are?"

Indian man: Yes.

Prabhupāda: This is natural.

Indian man: Then he'll answer. Very affection

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Indian man: But He had also... When He was God, why He had some affection also like that?

Prabhupāda: Oh, that you must know.

Indian man: *Māyā...* I, I, I say to *māyā.*

Prabhupāda: No, it is not. *Māyā* mean affection also. *Māyā* mean affection also. *Māyā* has got the meaning of affection. *Māyā* means illusion; *māyā* means energy; *māyā* means affection. Just like we say *māyā*..., *chele rupar*[?] *māyā.* That is affection.

Indian man: [Hindi] affection.

Prabhupāda: So *māyā* means affection.

Indian man: But when He was born, why should He have *māyā?* When He is the Supreme God, [Hindi]?

Prabhupāda: [Hindi] Can you control God? By your wording, He'll not be affected by *māyā.*

Indian man: No, that means I have...

Prabhupāda: That is God. That is God. He can do anything. He is not under your rules and regulation. *Māyā..., māyā..., māyā* means... *Māyā* means..., *māyā mukta* Cc. Madhya 24.136 means the illusion. When the *māyā* is illusion, you have to get you out it. But when the...

Indian man: But what is the differnce between the illusion and *māyā?*

Prabhupāda: Illusion is forced. But affection is not forced. When father loves child, that is not forced; that is reality. [break] [end]