# Room Conversation With Shri Narayan and Ramkrishna Bajaj *Type: Conversation Dated: October 31st 1977 Location: Vṛndāvana Audio file: 771031R2.VRN.mp3* Shri Narayan: But are you feeling better, Swāmījī? Prabhupāda: Yes. Little, little. Shri Narayan: Little better. Prabhupāda: [Hindi] Shri Narayan: [Hindi] Prabhupāda: Therefore always two attendants, and they are taking care. Otherwise personally I would not... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, please sit down. It's all right. It's here for you to sit, so you can... Shri Narayan: I don't want you to talk loudly. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So you sit down. Shri Narayan: [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You can sit here. Shri Narayan: [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Shri Narayan: [Hindi] Prabhupāda: I'm very glad to see you here. [Hindi with guests] So, Tamāla Kṛṣṇa? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Prabhupāda: Who has got these films, you can... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I'm going to arrange it with Akṣayānanda Mahārāja. The temple has everything here. Prabhupāda: Call Akṣayānanda Mahārāja. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right. Shri Narayan: [Hindi] Prabhupāda: Just see our activities all over the world. Shri Narayan: [Hindi] Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi] Shri Narayan: [Hindi with Prabhupāda] Prabhupāda: [Hindi] South Africa. Is it not South Africa? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Prabhupāda: [Hindi conversation] Why don't you show them the South African report? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Prabhupāda: [Hindi conversation] ...slaughterhouse... [Hindi conversation] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is a temple that was built there. We have a big farm there as well as two temples. This is one of the temples. Shri Narayan: Where in South Africa? Natal? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Near Durban. Shri Narayan: Near Durban. *Ācchā.* Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And they had fifteen thousand people attending at the Janmāṣṭamī celebration. Here you see some *go-pūjā.* Prabhupāda: [Hindi conversation] Without culture they're suffering. If you want to mitigate their sufferings, give this *Gītā* culture. Shri Narayan: *Gītā* culture. Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. That is my experience. [Hindi] We have sold this *Caitanya-caritāmṛta* even in Russian countries. Shri Narayan: Russian countries. Bhakti-caru: This is *Caitanya-caritāmṛta* in seventeen volumes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here are some of our African publications, Śrīla Prabhupāda, published in Swahili. Prabhupāda: African, Chinese, Japanese. Shri Narayan: Russian... [Hindi] ...Communist country... Prabhupāda: This is really humanitarian. Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi conversation about temple and *darśana*] Prabhupāda: When I go for *parikramā?* Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Eight-thirty in the morning, generally. Then all of the participants can have *darśana* of Śrīla Prabhupāda, and we also have the *darśana* of the Deities at that time. Shri Narayan: Deity also. [Hindi] Prabhupāda: [Hindi] ...so we can influence whole world. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? We got report that the recent printing of the *Bhagavad-gītā* will be sold out by June. One million five hundred thousand copies will have been sold in about ten months' time. Fifteen *lakhs* were sold in ten months just in the United States. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation] Bhakti-caru: Seventeen volumes, *he, Caitanya-caritāmṛta,* English translation. Prabhupāda: [Hindi] How many? Fifty... Bhakti-caru: How many sets? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Standing orders was..., I think it was three thousand standing orders. Prabhupāda: Three thousand or five thousand... [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: Twenty-four *lakhs.* Prabhupāda: Three thousand eight hundred. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Three thousand at fifty rupees each. Bhakti-caru: Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation] *...Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam...* [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: *Daśama skanda* [Hindi conversation with guests] Prabhupāda: [Hindi conversation] I increased my duration of life according to horoscope [Hindi conversation] ...this feeble condition. Shri Narayan: [Hindi conversation) Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here is Akṣayānanda Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Prabhupāda: Ah, Akṣayānanda Mahārāja... Akṣayānanda: Yes, Prabhupāda. Prabhupāda: The film and... What happened to...? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they would like to have a... Shri Narayan: [Hindi] ....*kīrtana...* [Hindi] Akṣayānanda: We would be very happy. [Hindi with guests] Prabhupāda: [Hindi with guests and Indian lady guest] I do not know. What..., what happened to the Hindu...? Shri Narayan: What is the latest about the Bombay temple [Hindi]? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We haven't heard anything in the last two or three months, Śrīla Prabhupāda. This telegram came from the former mayor---Ganatra? Rajiv Ganatra? He wrote, "Pray God to give you long life to spread Indian culture in every nook and corner of the universe." Ramkrishna Bajaj: [Hindi] That is the feeling of all, everybody. Shri Narayan: [Hindi with Prabhupada and lady guest] Prabhupāda: That is Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa. *Ye yathā māṁ prapadyate* Bg. 4.11. [Hindi conversation] *Para-upakāra.* This is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, *para-upakāra.* Especially those who have taken birth in India... > bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra > janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra Cc. Ādi 9.41 [Hindi] This is Indian culture, *para-upakāra.* Indian culture is not meant for exploiting others. *Para-upakāra.* That is human life, *para-upakāra.* And that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Bhārata, especially... [Hindi; Indian guests leave for *darśana*] *Jaya.* [*kavirāja* enters] Kavirāja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru and Prabhupāda, as Bhakti-caru explains about Prabhupāda's symptoms] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's going down. Kavirāja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru and Prabhupāda] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The main thing we saw today, Prabhupāda passed more urine than ever before, and very clear-colored. Kavirāja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru] Bhakti-caru: The telephone is out of order. He was wondering... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whether we got the reservations or not. Bhakti-caru: Yes. Kavirāja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that? Bhakti-caru: Said Prabhupāda shouldn't speak so much. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Phew. Yes. Prabhupāda: [Hindi with *kavirāja*] Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with *kavirāja* explaining who guests were] [whispering in background] Kavirāja: [Hindi about progress] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Slowly but surely. Kavirāja: [Hindi with *kavirāja*] Impossible. Bhakti-caru: [chuckling] He's saying it's impossible, that he had cough today, and tomorrow there is no sign of it. So these are all Śrīla Prabhupāda's pastimes, his own doings. Kavirāja: [Hindi with Bhakti-caru] [whispering in background] Bhakti-caru: In the morning you have to save the urine. [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Which time? The latest possible one. Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with *kavirāja*] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 'Cause he passes urine sometimes two times in the morning, or three. Bhakti-caru: For last few days, at times he's passing at four o'clock and then again at about six o'clock. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So which one of those two? Bhakti-caru: [Hindi with *kavirāja*] *Gītā* conference... [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gītā Pratiṣṭhāna. Big conference. Two days. Two-day conference. Bhakti-caru: [Hindi] Where is the conference? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It will be in the *gurukula* building at two o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Bhakti-caru: [explains in Hindi] Kavirāja: [Hindi---talks about medicine] Doctor as well [referring to Svarūpa Dāmodara]. Bhakti-caru = Ha, he's a doctor. Physics. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Chemistry. Bhakti-caru: Oh, chemistry. [Hindi] Śrīla Prabhupāda? [Hindi] Prabhupāda: Hmm. Kavirāja: [Hindi] *...bhavauṣadhi...* [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, you also ate a little bit of vegetable, and you said there was a little taste today, I think. [to Svarūpa Dāmodara] You can tell him. Some vegetable. Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, he said. [Hindi] 500 cc, urine. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Āyurvedic science is very perfect. But the difficulty is that until now we could not find a doctor who understood the science. Kavirāja: [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did he say? Svarūpa Dāmodara: He said that the difficulty is to make the medicine. It takes time and... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, that's... Kavirāja: Kidney, it is special. Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is for kidney, special. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: [looking at medicine] Phew. What is it made from? What is that made from? Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī has made very nice medicine for you---very, very nice. What is that from? Kavirāja = [Hindi] Twenty-two. Svarūpa Dāmodara: Twenty-two ingredients. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Distilled. Kavirāja: [Hindi] Distilled water. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No one will take the time anymore these days. How is it given? How is this given? Kavirāja: [Hindi] Svarūpa Dāmodara: Drink. One dose. One, once. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Phew. This is the science. This is real medicine. It took him seven, eight hours, twenty-two ingredients distilled. He has to distill the water first. Twenty-two ingredients. It's very nice, isn't it. Kavirāja: [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda? [Prabhupāda drinks medicine] Prabhupāda: [Hindi with *kavirāja*] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for the kidneys? Kavirāja: [Hindi] *Vṛkka-sañjīvanī.* [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: *Vṛkka. V-r-i-k-k-a.* Kavirāja: Urdu. [Hindi] Bhakti-caru: The Sanskrit name for kidney is *vṛkka.* Kavirāja: *Vṛkka-sañjīvanayarak.* Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: *Vṛkka-sañjīvanī-aya* Bhakti-caru: No, *sañjīvanī-araka. Araka* means extract, and *sañjīvanī* means... Kavirāja: [Hindi] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does that mean? Extractive. Bhakti-caru: Yes. Extract, to revitalize the kidney. No, our medicine for revitalizing the kidney. [Hindi with Prabhupāda] Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like a little soft *kīrtana?* Prabhupāda: No. Now let me take rest. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Take rest. Okay, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end]