# Room Conversation with Jaidayal Dalmia

*Type: Conversation Dated: November 2nd 1977 Location: Vṛndāvana Audio file: 771102R4.VRN.mp3*

Prabhupāda: *Jaya.* [Hindi]

Jaidayal Dalmia: [Hindi]

Prabhupāda: [Hindi about the *Gītā* conference with guest] There is good demand all over the world. [Hindi] "Kṛṣṇa is not person; Kṛṣṇa is consciousness." [Hindi] Kṛṣṇa personally speaking, and "He is consciousness." He says, *yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata* Bg. 4.7 = "I come down." [Hindi] Māyāvādī. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has condemned, *māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa* Cc. Madhya 6.169. *Caitanya-caritāmṛta he.* [Hindi] *Yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ* Bg. 4.3. Kṛṣṇa said that "I am speaking to you the old *yoga* system." [Hindi] ...not my interpretation. [Hindi] [break] Kṛṣṇa is person. Where is that verse in the Tenth Canto?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In the *Bhagavad-gītā?*

Prabhupāda: *Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān* [Bg. 10.12].

Jayādvaita: Tenth Chapter.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:

> paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma
> pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān
> puruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyam
> ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum

[Bg. 10.12]

Prabhupāda: *Puruṣaṁ śāśvatam. Govindam ādi-puruṣam.* [break] This is understanding of *Bhagavad-gītā.* But they'll not do that. What can be done? They cannot preach *Bhagavad-gītā. Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye* Bg. 10.14. Next line?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: *Yan māṁ vadasi keśava, na hi te bhagavan vyaktiṁ vidur devā na dānavāḥ.*

Prabhupāda: Ah. [Hindi] "I have come personally." *Yadā yadā hi dharmasya* Bg. 4.7. *Bhagavad-gītā.* [Hindi] ...as it is. [Hindi] *Bhagavad-gītā* as it is, never say it. [Hindi] ...imagination... [Hindi] Simply waste of time. *Śrama eva hi kevalam* SB 1.2.8. *Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ, janayaty āśu vairāgyam* SB 1.2.7. *Janayaty āśu vairāgyam.* [Hindi] *Yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya vartate kāma-kārataḥ, na siddhiṁ sāvāpnoti* Bg. 16.23. [Hindi] *Śrama eva hi kevalam.* [Hindi with guest] There is good demand all over the world. [Hindi about American devotees] Nobody can turn them now. *Jaya.* Thank you very much.

Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda? [Bengali] [end]