The Tenth Morning Walk: May 14, 1973
Recorded on May 14, 1973, In Cheviot Hills Park, Los Angeles
Śrīla Prabhupāda is accompanied by Dr. Singh and other students.
The Scientists' Mistakes
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  The scientists' mistake is that they are ignorant of the two energies- material and spiritual. They say that everything is material and that everything emanates from matter. The defect in their theories is that they begin from matter instead of spirit. Since matter comes from spirit, in a sense everything is spiritual. Spiritual energy is the source and can exist without the material energy. But the material energy has no existence without the spiritual energy. It is correct to say that darkness begins from light, not that light begins from darkness. Scientists think that consciousness comes from matter. Actually, consciousness always exists, but when it is covered or degraded by ignorance, it is a form of unconsciousness. So "material" means forgetfulness of Kṛṣṇa, and "spiritual" means full consciousness of Kṛṣṇa. Is this clear? Try to understand: darkness comes from light. When no light is visible, then we are in darkness. Clouds are not to be found in the sun; that would be against the nature of the sun. But by the  energy  of the sun other things are temporarily created, such as mist, clouds or darkness. These creations are temporary, but the sun remains. Similarly, material nature is temporary, but spiritual nature is permanent. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means getting out of this temporary nature and attaining a permanent, spiritual nature. No one actually wants this temporary nature; no one likes this cloudy atmosphere.
Dr. Singh.  is this cloudy consciousness created from spiritual energy?
Śrīla  Prabhupāda. Yes.:  Ś
Dr. Singh.  And matter is also created from the superior energy?
Śrīla Prabhupāda.   Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate.  Kṛṣṇa says, "I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me." (Bg. 8.10) Kṛṣṇa is the creator of everything, bad or good. Actually, "bad and good" is a material creation. Kṛṣṇa's creation is good; God is good. What you think is bad is good for God. Therefore, we cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. He is doing something that in our consideration may be bad, but for Him there is no such thing as good or bad. For example, Kṛṣṇa married sixteen thousand wives. Some people may criticize, "Ah, He is so mad after women." But they do not see the whole picture. Kṛṣṇa's power is so great that He expanded Himself into sixteen thousand different husbands.
"Everything Is One" Is Nonsense
Dr. Singh.  You said this mist of material nature is temporary. But why should we bother to disentangle ourselves from something transitory?
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Why do you put coverings on your body? You may walk naked. The weather will clear in a few hours. Why do you cover yourself?
Dr. Singh.  The danger is now...