Šrīla Prabhupāda.  Scientists have helped to minimize the duration of life! Formerly men lived one hundred years; now they seldom live more than sixty or seventy years. And the scientists have discovered atomic energy; now they can kill millions of men. So they have helped only in dying. They have not helped in living, and still they dare to declare that they will create.
Dr. Singh.  But now we have airplanes and--
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  The scientists cannot stop death, they cannot stop birth, they cannot stop disease, and they cannot stop old age. So what have they done? Formerly people used to become old, and nowadays they are becoming old. Formerly people used to become diseased, and now they are becoming diseased. Now there is more medicine-and more disease. So what have they accomplished? Scientists have not helped improve the order of the world. We are going to challenge all the rascal scientists who say that life has grown out of matter. The fact is that matter has grown from life.
The Illusion of Progress
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  How long can science cheat people? One hundred years, two hundred years? They cannot cheat them for all time.
Dr. Singh.  Cheating has been going on since time immemorial, so perhaps they think they can continue forever.
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Not since time immemorial! Science has been cheating people for only the past two or three hundred years, not before that.
Dr. Singh  , Oh, really??
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Yes, for the last two hundred years they have been preaching that life comes from matter-not for thousands of years. And the cheating will be finished in another fifty years.
Dr. Singh.  Yes, now there is a so-called anti-intellectual movement. People are rebelling against science and modern progress.
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  And what is that science? It is not science! It is ignorance. Ignorance is passing for science, and irreligion is passing for religion. But this cheating cannot go on for long, because some people are becoming intelligent.
Dr. Singh.  In  Newsweek , one of the largest magazines in the United States, there was an article about the degradation of Christianity. The article included a cartoon picturing the devil causing earthquakes. There was recently a very large earthquake in South America that killed many thousands of people. The cartoon attributed such things to the devil, and right next to him it showed Richard Nixon presenting himself as a follower of Christ but bombing Southeast Asia. In this cartoon, the devil turned to Richard Nixon and said, "It's hell keeping up with Christians."
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Yes, people will criticize in that way. People are becoming advanced. How long can they be cheated by so-called science and so-called religion? If Mr. Nixon loves his countrymen, why does he not love his country's cows? They are also born in the same land, and they have the same right to live. Why are they killed? "Thou shalt not kill." But the animals are being killed. That is imperfection. Krṣṇa embraces both the cows and Rādhārāṇī.[18]  That  is perfection. Krṣṇa even talks with the birds. One day on the bank of the Yamunā River, He was