The Thirteenth Morning Walk: December 2, 1973
Recorded on December 2, 1973, On the shores of the Pacific Ocean Near Los Angeles
Śrīla Prabhupāda  is accompanied by Dr. Singh, Hṛdayānanda dāsa Goswami. Kṛṣṇa kānti dāsa adhikārī and other students.
The Devotee Beyond Desiress
Śrīla Prabhupāda . Now, who knows the difference between the  karmī ,  the jñānī , the  yogī  and the  bhakta ?
Hṛdayānanda dāsa Goswami.  The  karmī  wants to enjoy the gross senses, the  jñānī  wants to enjoy the subtle mind-to mentally speculate-and the  yogī  wants to manipulate the universe with mystic powers.
Śrīla Prabhupāda . These are all material powers..
Hrḍayānanda dāsa Goswami.  And the  bhakta  has no material desires.
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Yes. And unless one is actually desireless, he cannot be happy. The  karmī , the  jñānī  and the  yogī  are all full of desires; therefore they are unhappy.  Karmīs  are the most unhappy, the  jñānī  is a little less unhappy, and the  yogī  is still more advanced. But the  bhakta , the devotee, is perfectly happy. Some  yogīs  have a mystic power that enables them to snatch pomegranates from trees in another country, thousands of miles away. Others can fly without an airplane. And some  yogīs  can hypnotize anyone. Then they point to someone and say, "This is God," and their victims believe them. I have actually seen such magical nonsense.
Krşnakānti.  Is the pure devotee more merciful than Krşna?
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Yes. A real Vaiṣṇava, a real devotee, is even more merciful than Kṛṣṇa. Take Lord Jesus Christ, for example. It is said that Lord Jesus took everyone's sins upon himself, yet
he was crucified. We can see how merciful he was. Today, rascals think, "Let us go on committing sinful activities; Christ has taken a contract to suffer for us." [There is a long, thoughtful silence.]
The Difference Between Matter and Spirit
Dr. Singh , Scientists say that trees also have consciousness.
Śrīla Prabhupāda.  Yes, that is true, but a tree's consciousness and my consciousness are different. My consciousness is more developed. If you pinch my body, I will immediately protest. But if you cut a tree, it will not protest. Actually, everything has consciousness in it; it is simply a question of degree. The more covered consciousness is by matter, the more it is considered material. And the more consciousness is developed, the more it is considered spiritual. This is the difference between matter and spirit.
Spirit souls are everywhere. They are trying to come out of the earth. [Points to the grass.] As soon as there is an opportunity, they want to express their consciousness. Those souls who