Kṛṣṇa, the All-Attractive
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ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Yes.
BOB:  So, what is the significance of this energy's being separated from Kṛṣṇa?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  "Separated" means that this is made out of the body of the cow but it is not the cow. That is separation.
BOB:  So, this earth and all is made out of Kṛṣṇa but it is not Kṛṣṇa?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  It is not Kṛṣṇa. Or, you can say, Kṛṣṇa and not Kṛṣṇa simultaneously. That is our philosophy. One and different. You cannot say that these things are different from Kṛṣṇa, because without Kṛṣṇa they have no existence. At the same time, you cannot say, "Then let me worship water. Why Kṛṣṇa? The pantheists say that because everything is God, whatever we do is God worship. This is Māyāvāda philosophy—that because everything is made of God, therefore everything is God. But our philosophy is that everything is God but also not God.
BOB:  So what on earth is God? Is there anything on earth that is God?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Yes. Because everything is made out of the energy of God. But that does not mean that by worshiping anything you are worshiping God.
BOB:  So what is on earth that is not  māyā  [illusion]? It is . . .
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:   Māyā  means "energy."
BOB:  It means energy?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Yes.  Māyā —and another meaning is "illusion." So foolish persons accept the energy as the energetic. That is  māyā . Just like sunshine. Sunshine enters your room. Sunshine is the energy of the sun. But because the sunshine enters your room, you cannot say that the sun