Becoming Pure
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are using everything—table, chair, bed, tape recorder, typewriter—so what is the difference? The difference is that we are using everything for Kṛṣṇa.
BOB:  The devotees have said that the sensual pleasures they have given up are replaced with spiritual kinds of pleasures, but—see—I haven't felt this.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Spiritual pleasures come when you desire to please Kṛṣṇa. That is spiritual pleasure. For example, a mother is more pleased by feeding her son. She's not eating, but when she sees that her son is eating very nicely, then she becomes pleased.
BOB:  Hmm-m. Spiritual pleasure, then, is pleasing God.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Spiritual pleasure means the pleasure of Kṛṣṇa.
BOB:  Pleasing Kṛṣṇa.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Yes. Material pleasure means the pleasure of the senses. That's all. This is the difference. When you simply try to please Kṛṣṇa, that is spiritual pleasure.
BOB:  I had viewed this as—my thought of pleasing God was to—
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Don't manufacture your ways of pleasing God. Don't manufacture. Suppose I want to please you. Then I shall ask you, "How can I serve you?" Not that I manufacture some service. That is not pleasing. Suppose I want a glass of water. If you concoct the idea, "Svāmijī will be more pleased if I give him a glass of milk, hot milk," that will not please me. If you want to please me, then you should ask me, "How can I please you?" And if you do what I order, that will please me.
BOB:  And pleasing Kṛṣṇa, then, is being a devotee of Kṛṣṇa.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  A devotee is one who is always