The Perfect Devotee
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BOB:  So one in this material world never escapes his  karma  completely?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Yes, he escapes. No more  karma  for a devotee. No more karmic reaction.
BOB:  But you must be the best devotee.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Hm-m . . . No, I don't consider myself the best devotee. I am the lowest.
BOB:  No!
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  You are the best devotee.
BOB:  [ Laughs. ] Oh, no, no! But, see, you say—what you say . . . always seems right.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Yes.
BOB:  Then you must be the best devotee.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  The thing is that even the best devotee, when he preaches, comes to the second-class platform of a devotee.
BOB:  What would the best devotee be doing?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  The best devotee does not preach.
BOB:  What does he do?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  He sees that there is no need of preaching. For him, everyone is a devotee. [ Bob laughs heartily. ] Yes, he sees no more nondevotees—all devotees. He is called an  uttama-adhikārī . But while I am preaching, how can I say I am the best devotee? Just like Rādhārāṇi—She does not see anyone as a nondevotee. Therefore we try to approach Rādhārāṇi.
BOB:  Who is this?
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  Rādhārāṇi, Kṛṣṇa's consort.
BOB:  Ah.
ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA:  If anyone approaches Rādhārāṇi, She recommends to Kṛṣṇa, "Here is the best devotee. He is