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there in your heart also. It is not that it is foreign to you. In everyone's heart there is Krṣṇa consciousness. By this process we have to awaken it. It is just like the way the sun rises. It is not that all of a sudden the sun comes from nowhere. It is there, but it rises in the morning. Similarly, this Krṣṇa consciousness is everywhere, but some way or another it is now covered. By this process it is reawakened and aroused by association.
Prof. Kotovsky:  You came yesterday to Moscow. Have you seen something here in Moscow?
Śrila Prabhupāda:  No, I am not very much interested in sight-seeing.
Prof. Kotovsky:  But in any case, just to stay in an old-style hotel is not interesting—not many people to see. And you are leaving the day after tomorrow?
Śrila Prabhupāda:  That is my program.
Prof. Kotovsky:  You are leaving for the United States or for Europe?
Śrila Prabhupāda:  Yes, for Europe. Paris. And we have two very big ceremonies in London and San Francisco. They are making arrangements for the Ratha-yātrā Car Festival. This car festival is observed in Jagannātha Purī. You have been to Jagannātha Purī?
Prof. Kotovsky:  Yes, the car festival has been held from immemorial times. A very old tradition. Huge cars.
Śrila Prabhupāda:  Yes, and it has now been introduced in the Western countries in London and San Francisco, and gradually maybe we will introduce it in other countries also.
Prof. Kotovsky:  In London there is a large Indian community.
Śrila Prabhupāda:  No, no. This is organized by the Englishmen and Americans. The Indian communities in London and San Francisco are trying to become—you know the word?  Sahib?
Prof. Kotovsky:  [Laughs.] Westernized. [They both laugh.] A very great social anthropologist at the University has written something very interesting. He says there are two processes—the process of westernization among  brāhmaṇas , mainly the upper class, and the process called Sanskritization, which is the process of adopting  brāhmaṇa  rituals, etc., by so-called lower classes, even untouchables. It is a very interesting process in India just now. But India's position, unfortunately, is problematic.
Śrila Prabhupāda:  The difficulty is that India is nowhere. They are trying to imitate Western life, but from a materialistic or technical point of view, they are one hundred years back.
Prof. Kotovsky:  Yes, that is right. But what to do for India?
Śrila Prabhupāda:  There is one thing I am experiencing. If India's spiritual asset is distributed, that will increase India's honor. Because