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are using everything—table, chair, bed, tape recorder,
typewriter—so what is the difference? The difference is
that we are using everything for Krsna.

BOB: The devotees have said that the sensual pleasures they
have given up are replaced with spiritual kinds of pleasures,
but—see—I haven’t felt this.

SRILA PRABHUPADA: Spiritual pleasures come when you
desire to please Krsna. That is spiritual pleasure. For exam-
ple, a mother is more pleased by feeding her son. She’s not
eating, but when she sees that her son is eating very nicely,
then she becomes pleased.

BOB: Hmm-m. Spiritual pleasure, then, is pleasing God.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Spiritual pleasure means the pleasure
of Krsna.

BOB: Pleasing Krsna.

SRILA PRABHUPADA: Yes. Material pleasure means the
pleasure of the senses. That’s all. This ig the difference.
When you simply try to please Krsna, that is spiritual
pleasure.

BOB: I had viewed this as— my thought of pleasing God was
to—

SRILA PRABHUPADA: Don’t manufacture your ways of
pleasing God. Don’t manufacture. Suppose I want to please
you. Then I shall ask you, “How can I serve you?” Not that
I manufacture some service. That is not pleasing. Suppose I
want a glass of water. If you concoct the idea, “Svamiji will
be more pleased if I give him a glass of milk, hot milk,” that
will not please me. If you want to please me, then you
should ask me, “How can I please you?” And if you do
what I order, that will please me.

Bos: And pleasing Krsna, then, is being a devotee of Krsna.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: A devotee is one who is always
