The Perfect Devotee 55
BOB: So one in this material world never escapes his karma
completely?
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Yes, he escapes. No more karma for a
devotee. No more karmic reaction.
BOB: But you must be the best devotee.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Hm-m .. . No, I don’t consider
myself the best devotee. I am the lowest.
BOB: No!
SRILA PRABHUPADA: You are the best devotee.
BOB: [Laughs.] Oh, no, no! But, see, you say—what you
say . . . always seems right.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Yes.
BOB: Then you must be the best devotee.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: The thing is that even the best devo-
tee, when he preaches, comes to the second-class platform
of a devotee.
BOB: What would the best devotee be doing?
SRILA PRABHUPADA: The best devotee does not preach.
BOB: What does he do?
SRILA PRABHUPADA: He sees that there is no need of
preaching. For him, everyone is a devotee. [Bob laughs
heartily] Yes, he sees no more nondevotees—all devotees.
He is called an uttama-adhikari. But while I am preaching,
how can I say I am the best devotee? Just like Radharani—
She does not see anyone as a nondevotee. Therefore we try
to approach Radharani.
BOB: Who is this?
SRILA PRABHUPADA: Radhirini, Krsna’s consort.
BoB: Ah.
SRILA PRABHUPADA: If anyone approaches Radharani, She
recommends to Krsna, ‘‘Here is the best devotee. He is
