198 THE SCIENCE OF SELF-REALIZATION

practically all men are sddras. But if there are simply sddras, the social
order will be disturbed. In spite of your state of sddras, the brahmana is
found here, and that is necessary. If you do not divide the social order in
such a way, there will be chaos. That is the scientific estimation of the
Vedas. You may belong to the sudra class, but to maintain social order
you have to train some of the sidras to become brdhmanas. Society can-
not depend on Sddras. Nor can you depend on the brdhmanas. To fulfill
the necessities of your body, there must be a brain, arms, a stomach, and
legs. The legs, the brain, and the arms are all required for cooperation to
fulfill the mission of the whole body. So in any society you can see that
unless there are these four divisions, there will be chaos. It will not work
properly. It will be maya, and there will be disturbances. The brain must
be there, but at the present moment there is a scarcity of brains. I am not
talking of your state or my state; I am taking the world as a whole. For-
merly the Indian administration was a monarchy. For example, Maharaja
Pariksit was a ksatriya king. Just before his death, he renounced his royal
order. He came to the forest to hear about self-realization. If you want to
maintain the peace and prosperity of the whole world society, you must
create a very intelligent class of men, a class of men expert in administra-
tion, a class of men expert in production, and a class of men to work.
That is required; you cannot avoid it. That is the Vedic conception,
mukha-bahuru-pada-jah (Srimad-Bhdgavatam 11.17.13]. Mukha means
“‘the face,’’ bdhu means ‘‘the arms,” dru means ‘‘the waist,’’ and pada,
“‘the legs.” Whether you take this state or that state, unless there is a
smooth, systematic establishment of these four orders of life, the state or
society will not run very smoothly.

Prof. Kotovsky: Generally it seems to me that this whole varndsrama
system to some extent created a natural division of labor in the ancient
society. But now division of labor among people in any society is much
more complicated and sophisticated. So it is very confusing to group
them into four classes.

Srila Prabhupada: Confusion has come to exist because in India, at a
later day, the son of a brdhmana, without having the brahminical
qualifications, claimed to be a bradhmana; and others, out of superstition
or a traditional way, accepted him as a brdhmana. Therefore the Indian
social order was disrupted. But in our Krsna consciousness movement we
are training brahmanaseverywhere because the world needs the brain of
a brahmana. Although Maharaja Pariksit was a monarch, he had a body of
bradhmanas and learned sages to consult, an advisory body. It is not that
the monarchs were independent. In history it is found that if some of the
