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there in your heart also. It is not that it is foreign to you. In everyone’s
heart there is Krsna consciousness. By this process we have to awaken it.
It is just like the way the sun rises. It is not that all of a sudden the sun
comes from nowhere. It is there, but it rises in the morning. Similarly,
this Krsna consciousness is everywhere, but some way or another it is
now covered. By this process it is reawakened and aroused by association.
Prof. Kotovsky: You came yesterday to Moscow. Have you seen some-
thing here in Moscow? :

Srila Prabhupada: No, I am not very much interested in sight-seeing.
Prof. Kotovsky: But in any case, just to stay in an old-style hotel is not
interesting—not many people to see. And you are leaving the day after
tomorrow?

Srila Prabhupada: That is my program.

Prof. Kotovsky: You are leaving for the United States or for Europe?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, for Europe. Paris. And we have two very big
ceremonies in London and San Francisco. They are making arrange-
ments for the Ratha-yatra Car Festival. This car festival is observed in
Jagannatha Puri. You have been to Jagannatha Puri?

Prof. Kotovsky: Yes, the car festival has been held from immemorial
times. A very old tradition. Huge cars.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, and it has now been introduced in the Western
countries in London and San Francisco, and gradually maybe we will in-
troduce it in other countries also. .
Prof. Kotovsky: In London there is a large Indian community.

Srila Prabhupada: No, no. This is organized by the Englishmen and
Americans. The Indian communities in London and San Francisco are
trying to become—you know the word? Sahib?

Prof. Kotovsky: [Laughs.] Westernized. [They both laugh.] A very great
social anthropologist at the University has written something very in-
teresting. He says there are two processes—the process of westerniza- :
tion among brahmanas, mainly the upper class, and the process called
Sanskritization, which is the process of adopting bradhmana rituals, etc.,
by so-called lower classes, even untouchables. It is a very interesting pro-
cess in India just now. But India’s position, unfortunately, is problematic.
Srila Prabhupada: The difficulty is that India is nowhere. They are trying
to imitate Western life, but from a materialistic or technical point of
view, they are one hundred years back.

Prof. Kotovsky: Yes, that is right. But what to do for India?

Srila Prabhupada: There is one thing I am experiencing. If India’s
spiritual asset is distributed, that will increase India’s honor. Because ;
