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the spirit soul. They are simply analyzing Krsna’s material energy.

Dr. Singh: They are analyzing the creative material elements?

Srila Prabhupada: Material elements are not creative! The soul is cre-

ative. No one can create life with only matter, and matter cannot create

itself. You, a living entity, can mix hydrogen and oxygen to create water.

But matter itself has no creative energy. If you place a bottle of hydrogen

near a bottle of oxygen, will they automatically combine without your

help?

Dr. Singh: No. They must be mixed.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, the superior energy—the living entity—is re-
. quired. Oxygen and hydrogen are inferior energy, but when the superior

energy mixes them, then they can become water.

Inferior energy has no power unless superior energy is involved. This
sea [indicating the Pacific Ocean] is calm and quiet. But when superior
force—air—pushes it, high waves are created. The sea has no power
without the superior force. Similarly, there is another force superior to
the air, and another, and another, until we arrive at Krsna, the most
superior force. This is real research. Suppose a railroad train is just start-
ing to move. The engine pushes one car, which pushes another, and so
on, until the entire train is moving. And the whole motion originates
with the engineer, a living entity. Similarly, in the cosmic creation, Krsna
gives the first push, and then, by means of many successive pushes, the
entire cosmic manifestation comes into being. This is explained in the :
Bhagavad-gita [9.10]: mayddhyaksena prakrtih stiyate sa-cardcaram. ‘‘This
material nature is working under My direction, O son of Kunti, and is
producing all moving and unmoving beings.”’ And a little later:

sarva-yonisu kaunteya
murtayah sambhavanti yah
tasam brahma mahad yonir
aham bija-pradah pita
‘All species of life are made possible by birth in material nature, and I
am the seed-giving father.”’ [Bg. 14.4] For example, if we sow a banyan
seed, a huge tree eventually grows up and produces millions of new
seeds. Each of these seeds, in turn, produces another tree with millions
of new seeds, and so on. So Krsna is the original seed-giving father.

Unfortunately, the scientists only observe the immediate cause; they
do not perceive the remote cause. There are two causes—the imme-
diate cause and the remote cause. Krsna is described in the Vedas as
