222 THE SCIENCE OF SELF-REALIZATION

conditioned by so many of nature’s laws, the rascals think they are free.
Yet if there is a cloud, they cannot see the sun. What power have we to
see? Only when nature’s laws give us some facility are we able to see. In-
deed, we can only experiment under certain conditions, and if the condi-
tions are not favorable, our experiments fail. Why then are we so proud
of experimental knowledge?

Why experiment? Things are already there. The sun’s energy is there,
given by God for us to use. What else is there to know? So many apples
fall from trees. What further need is there to explain the law of gravity?
Actually the scientists are lacking in common sense. They are simply
concerned with ‘‘scientific’’ explanations. They say the law of gravity
works only under certain conditions, but who has made these condi-
tions? When Krsna appeared as Lord Ramacandra, He threw stones on
the water, and the stones floated. The law of gravity did not work in that
case. Therefore the law of gravity works only under the direction of the
Supreme Lord. The law in itself is not final. A king may give a law, but he
can change that law immediately. The ultimate law-giver is Krsna, and a
law will only work by His will. Scientists try to explain God’s will in so
many ways, but because they are conditioned by maya, illusion, they can
only talk like a person haunted by ghosts. Tell me, what is the scientific
explanation that accounts for all the varieties of trees?

Karandhara dasa: They say that nature mutates and makes these
varieties.

Srila Prabhupada: Then it must be nature’s will. And what is that will?
Does the land have any will?

Karandhara dasa: Well, they are very vague on that point.

Srila Prabhupada: That means that they do not have perfect knowledge.
They do not know that behind nature is the will of Krsna.

Dr. Singh: They explain that the chemical composition of these different
plants is different.

Srila Prabhupada: That’s all right, but who made these chemical com-
positions? As soon as you say ‘‘chemical composition,’’ you immediately
require a God.

Karandhara dasa: They say there is no need for a God because if you
mix two chemicals together...

Srila Prabhupada: God or not, there must be some will. There must be
some consciousness. Two chemicals mix and produce such and such.
Who mixes them? Consciousness is there. Well, that consciousness is
Krsna. There is consciousness everywhere, and as soon as you accept
that consciousness, you must accept consciousness as a person.
