Text 139] Talks Between the Lord and Ramananda Raya 173
akarsaka—the attractor of the minds; séksat—directly; manmatha-madana—cap-
tivator of Cupid himself.

TRANSLATION

“The very name Krsna means that He attracts even Cupid. He is therefore
attractive to everyone—male and female, moving and inert living entities. In-
deed, Krsna is known as the all-attractive one.

PURPORT
Just as there are many orbs in the material world called stars or planets, in the
spiritual world there are many spiritual planets called Vaikunthalokas. The spiritual
universe, however, is situated far, far away from the cluster of material universes.
Material scientists cannot even estimate the number of planets and stars within
this universe. They are also incapable of traveling to other stars by spaceships. Ac-
cording to Bhagavad-gita, there is also a spiritual world:
paras tasmat tu bhavo ‘nyo
‘vyakto ‘vyaktat sanatanah
yah sa sarvesu bhutesu
nasyatsu na vinasyati
“Yet there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this
manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When
all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.’ (Bg. 8.20)

Thus there is another nature, which is superior to material nature. The word
bhava or svabhdava refers to nature. The spiritual nature is eternal, and even when
all the material universes are destroyed, the planets in the spiritual world abide.
They remain exactly as the spirit soul remains even after the annihilation of the
material body. That spiritual world is called aprakrta, or the anti-material world. In
this transcendental spiritual world or universe, the highest planetary system is
known as Goloka Vrndavana. That is the abode of Lord Krsna Himself, who is also
all-spiritual. Krsna is known there as Aprakrta-madana The name Madana refers to
Cupid, but Krsna is the spiritual Madana. His body is not material like the body of
Cupid in this material universe. Krsna’s body is all-spiritual —sac-cid-aénanda-
vigraha. Therefore He is called Aprakrta-madana. He is also known as Manmatha-
madana, which means that He is attractive even to Cupid. Sometimes Krsna’s ac-
tivities and attractive features are misinterpreted by gross materialists who accuse
Him of being immoral because He danced with the gopis, but such an accusation
results from not knowing that Krsna is beyond this material world. His body is sac-
cid-4nanda-vigraha, completely spiritual. There is no material contamination in His
body, and one should not consider His body a lump of flesh and bones. The
Mayavadi philosophers conceive of Krsna’s body as material, and this is an abomi-
nable, gross, materialistic conception. Just as Krsna is completely spiritual, the
gopis are also spiritual, and this is confirmed in Brahma-sarmhita (5.37):
